Friday, December 17, 2010

The Sabbath or Sunday?

Sabbath: God's Gift to Mankind  is a great site to go to for a study on whether or not we should, as Christians. be observing Sunday instead of Saturday. 

Another site that has a comprehensive study of the questions is Seventh Day Sabbath or Sunday.

I want to state that I am not a Seventh Day Adventist.  I attend, send my tithe to and am a member of a Southern Baptist Church.  I use the King James version almost exclusively for study although I have others on hand.  After I was saved by the Grace of God (reborn, born again, regenerated, etc.) on February 22, 1992 at about 7:30 pm, I attended a Gospel Hall  (Non-Denominational church) for 8 years.  After a meeting and I saw that my presence was causing some strife, I left and after about 2 years of not attending anywhere regularly, my husband and I went to the small Baptist church about 2 miles from home.

I find myself getting ever more exasperated at the failure of mainline and non-denominational churches to follow the Word of God in even the smallest thing.  Besides looking at the failures of the churches, I can overlook my own failures.

We are (us Christians) as a whole wandering woefully far from the Bible.  We allow, in fact encourage, those who are living in sin to participate in the choir, teach Sunday School and head committees.  We have Christmas trees on the altar, Santa comes to visit the children in Sunday School or the Fellowship/Family Life buildings, we have festivities on Halloween encouraging our children and grandchildren to dress up in costumes and we wonder why they no longer attend church when they become teenagers or young adults.  I can tell you why they quit coming.  They just found better entertainment elsewhere.

We have puppet "ministries" that take the place of worship services.  We have slide shows on missionary work on prayer meeting nights.  Family night segregates the family and breaks in down into "age appropriate groups".

A child professes Salvation when he is 7 and a Sunday School teacher asks him what Santa's going to bring him for Christmas.  He states that he does not believe in Santa.  She then castigates him for not believing in anything when a somewhat disturbed onlooker interferes and says the child believes in Jesus Christ as his Savior, what more does he need?  And we wonder why our children are confused.

Shame on us.  We have become so much like the world that extremely few of us would be immediately arrested if Christianity became illegal.

Are we so much like the world that we let the world dictate when we are to worship?  After reading the Scriptures associated with the articles, I am leaning in the affirmative. 

After years of going along with the crowd, I am beginning to see that the world of Christianity may actually, more accurately be called "Christendumb".

"Good" Christian parents leave the rearing of their children to the schools.  Children used to start school at the first grade at around age 6.  Now the government would prefer that we take them home from the hospital and dump them in government sanctioned day care while we work to support the government.

If we have failed to follow Scripture in so many ways, it might just be, that like the sheep we are compared to we have followed the wrong voice when it comes to the Sabbath.  Just because we have always done it a certain way, does not make it so.  The traditions of men should never replace the commandments of God.

We fight over silly things in the church: carpet color, paint color, redecorating the vestibule, putting in another bathroom and on and on.  I was even talked about once because I showed up with a hat on in church.  I know this because the man approached the preacher about it within earshot and he obviously wanted me to hear what he said.  The preacher had to tell the man that actually it was proper and a woman should have her head covered.  I did not wear a hat again because it caused strife.  I should have kept doing what was right instead of "going along" with the crowd.

What do I think?  I think we just might be wrong by changing to Sunday. I think we go along with things and say, "What's the harm?"  The harm is it is just another step away from what is right in the sight of God.

What am I going to do about it?  I don't know just yet.  That is a matter for prayer and study.  I need to be absolutely certain.  I have to read those Scriptures again and again and ask HIM for guidance.

10 comments:

  1. Pamela,

    Thanks for your personal view on this subject. One thing I appreciate about your blog posts; they are not just Bible verses put together, they reflect your own life experiences with the topic at hand as the theme running through them. In other words you have a testimony to share. Which is interesting in view of the following verse: "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev.12:11

    I personally believe that The Feasts of YHWH should be kept....there are many Scripture evidences to support it. If we start at B'resheet (Heb. for Genesis) we find the setting up of the Sacred time clock for His 'set apart times' (Gen.1:14) the word 'seasons' in the verse in question does not mean....spring , winter summer or fall...but [mow'ed] (Hebrew for) appointed times. And in Lev.23 we find the list of all of YHWH'S appointed times...of which the weekly Shabbat is the first. The children of Israel (those whom most refer to as Jews) call the weekly Shabbat the Queen of YHWH'S appointed times.

    So even before we get to the 7th day of the creation week; we see YHWH setting up His appointed times.

    Thanks Pamela for your time and effort in putting this post together and for sharing your current view on the matter.

    Shalom In Messiah.

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  2. I once tried using Bible verses to explain what and why, but it came out sounding wrong somehow. It was about 15 years ago and I was still a zealot and tried to push everyone into the same wonder that I knew. As long as my comments were regarding my own experiences and what HE had done for me, people read and absorbed what I wrote. When my comments went to citing specific Scripture, it seemed like I was trying to pound it into people.

    They started calling me names and one man told me that he was opening up to the idea of a Savior until I brought up all those Scriptures. For some reason it just came across wrong. Getting the Scriptures into them subtly seemed to circumvent the Devil's block. Satan knows Scripture better than anyone. He bristles at the mention of it. His guard goes up and he prepares for battle.

    I learned to just speak from my heart and it seems to reach more people. It is not about me but the relationship that The Lord has given to me to be close to HIM.

    We are each given a talent in order to tell people, to spread the Gospel, and some are the great way they have to weave all the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation together to form a cohesive time line of God's Will.

    Others, such as myself, must weave the Scriptures through my life's experience and show what HE has done for me and how it has affected my life, my point of view. How His love for me changed me and caused me to love Him.

    The one who has been forgiven much, loves much.

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  3. Yes, I understand your point. My wife is similar in that way. You'll usually get her position on a matter within the context of an experience or story.

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  4. Hi Pamela -

    I was referred here to read this post. Certainly, it was worth the read.

    Thank you for this rich piece. I found it quite captivating and replete with truth.

    As for the Sabbath issue. I have heard various viewpoints. I'm presently not sure relative to the deepness of the matter. One thing of which I am sure - we need to love the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls and minds...I pray for more wisdom on the Sabbath matter. To date, I don't have full clarity about it.

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  5. I to was refered to this discussion and am pleased to be here. Rather than repeat much of what I have read about the subject of "Sunday or Sabbath", which would probably take a book to explain...I'm going to invite readers and commentors to a site that explains it the way I would do so if I had the space. I'm not taking the cowards way out...I just believe this article is thoural and scriptural.

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/362

    I have enjoyed reading this bolg and have signed up as a follower as a result. I also invite Pamela to visit my blog.

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  6. Hi Pamela,
    I enjoyed reading your blog and praise God for you. In reference to the Sabbath, I use Colossians 2:6-19 as my guide..."Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however is found in Christ" (vses 16-17). It's helpful to read the entire passage for context. There are others, if interested after reading the passage and the link Covnitkepr1 sent I'd be happy to share them with you.

    I just appreciate the various points you brought, many of which are my sentiments as well. When you get a chance, visit me at www.wealthofcharacter.blogspot.com.

    God Bless you and continue to stand.

    Beverly

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  7. Hi Pamela, I enjoyed your post and praise God for you!

    I use Colossians 2:6-19 as my guide in reference to the Sabbath. Verse 16-17 in particular, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." But you may want to check out covnitkepr1's link for more Scriptures.

    I thank God for you. Keep writing and questioning, sister. You're not alone.

    God Bless.

    Beverly

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  8. Shalom to you all. Thanks covnitkepr1 for your referenced link. My comments on it are as follows:

    1.The first Bible reference used to support the notion that Paul wanted Christians to begin to worship God on the first day of the week; according to the Referenced link (provided by covnitkepr1 above) is from (1Cor.16:1-2) Which states: "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (KJV)
    Question:
    Is 1Cor.16:1&2 a commandment to worship God on Sabbath or Sunday?
    Answer: No. The word worship is not mentioned at all in the text.
    Question: What was the subject at hand in 1Cor.16:1&2?
    Answer: "...the collection for the saints,..." (1Cor.16:1){Offerings}
    Question:
    When does the Biblical first [day] of the week commence?
    Answer: At sundown on the previous day.("...And the evening and the morning were the first day....."(Gen.1:5)
    Question: When would be the earliest time when the saints would have started to "lay by him in store"?
    Answer: What we call Saturday night; after sundown.

    According to the (link) [as per covinitkepr1's 1st post above] reference is made to Acts 20:7 in support of Sunday worship.
    What does Acts 20:7 say? "And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
    Question: Does Acts 20:7 give us a commandment to worship on Sabbath or Sunday?
    Answer: No. The word worship is not found in the text.
    Question: What is the subject of Acts 20:7?
    Answer: "...the disciples came together to break bread..."
    Question: What else do we learn from Acts 20:7?
    Answer: "...Paul preached unto them..."
    Question: When would be the earliest Biblical timing of this coming together?
    Answer: What we call Saturday night. (Gen.1:5,8)

    The article in the link says that The Lord's Day is Sunday?
    Question:Was at least two Bible verses given to support this? No.
    Question: How many Verses of Scripture was given?
    Answer: One. Rev.1:5
    Question: Does Rev.1:5 say that Sabbath or Sunday is the "Lord's Day"?
    Answer: No
    Question: What does Rev.1:5 say?
    Answer: "And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"
    Question: Why was this verse quoted?
    Answer: In all fairness to the author I believe that Rev.1:10 was meant.
    Question: What does Rev.1:10 say:
    Answer: "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
    Question: Does Rev.1:10 command the observance of Sabbath or Sunday?
    Answer: No. Neither Sabbath or Sunday is in the Text.
    (to be continued.......)

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  9. Comments on covnitkepr1's ref. link continued.

    Question: Are there any verses in the NT which give any indication of which day is "Lord's Day"?
    Answer: Yes. Mark 2:27-28 "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
    Question: Since our Lord told us that He is Lord of the Sabbath; than which day is the Lord's Day?
    Answer: The Sabbath.

    Next in the linked article is a reference to Ignatius (set forth as an 1 century Father of Antioch) however, in the records of the Catholic Encyclopedia He is listed as the 3rd Bishop of Antioch. He is attributed to be the 1st christian writer to put forth a position in favor of Sunday to replace Sabbath as the Lord's Day.
    Question: In Ignatius letter to the Magnesians is there any Scriptural command for this replacement.
    Answer: No.
    Question: What Biblical reason does He give for this change?
    Answer: Christ's Resurrection.
    Question: Is there any Scriptural command in the NT for this position.
    Answer: No.
    Question: Is there any Scriptural significance to Yahshua's (Christs') Resurrection?
    Answer: Yes. "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."(Rom.6:4) Therefore baptism is a symbol of the death burial and Resurrection of Christ. It should be noted that many of Ignatius letters are said to be written in haste and some are of a questionable nature.

    To be continued..........

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  10. It has been a pleasure to return and read the comments again. Wonderful!

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